How can I bet the field to set liability or payout

[2020vision]

Hi All

hopefully what I am about to ask is easy? But I don't seem to be able to
find a way of doing it? I want to back/lay the field for a set liability/profit
regardless of the odds I choose for each runner?

Also I would like the stake to change automatically to maintain the same
liability/profit targets should I amend any of the odds for any runners?

Hope you get what I mean - thanks, Michael

P.S. If this is not possible could it be made a feature please?

[Captain Sensible]

Just use the Payout staking mode if you're trying to make a book or set something up in excel

"Also I would like the stake to change automatically to maintain the same
liability/profit targets should I amend any of the odds for any runners? "

Probably asking a bit much, be easier and quicker just to cancel that bet and fire another in at your new odds

[2020vision]

Hi Captain

have tried changing staking mode to payout and liability but it makes no
difference to back/lay all or field bets - the stake is always what you have
pre-selected or entered into the field bets stake boxes regardless of odds.

Perhaps a check box allowing target profit/loss using set stakes would work?

This post is pretty much related to the linked post below - just not quite so complex?
http://www.gruss-software.co.uk/forum/v ... php?t=3690

Thanks again - Michael

[GaryRussell]

If you are using MyBets on the right hand side of the screen to enter your bets then click on the word "Liability" underlined in blue above your bets. You will be prompted to enter a liability. You can also click "Payout".

[Captain Sensible]

If you use the payout button (which is the staking mode you need to make a book) it means you can just click the odds you wish to bet at on the standard ladder and it'll calculate the odds/stake for you to ensure everything is laid to say a payout of £100, if all are taken you'd have your % overround.

The facility to make a book is already available on the betfair site but like you say it is an addition that could be easily incorporated into BA with a bit of tweeking for the current my bets screen.

A few additions that could be made to put BA ahead of the pack would be

1) although the current my bets screen has the facility to lay all and does should the what ifs figures it doesn't show the % of the book your laying which the betfair version does, This shouldn't be hard to code in the expected book %

2) the payout figure isn't remembered like the betfair version so making adjustments/tweaks to the odds mean you have to re enter the payout figure after any amendment. If this could autocalculate either on the fly or at the press of a recalc button it'd be much better.

3) the ability to back an underround book would be good and coding wise is much the same as calculating a lay book with regard to filling stakes/odds. As far as I'm aware the opposition don't have this facility and it would be very useful. For a back all book I'd also suggest you have a pop up warning if backing at 1000/1 and the odds are available due to the way BA gets around the under £2 bet limitation.

[2020vision]

Thanks for your patience and it appears that it is possible to use the
payout/liability link (I did not know this before) to deal with the lay side
of things but is there also a way to do it with the back bets? (i.e. place
the bets at whatever odds and have the return to make say £10?
Also to have the stake self adjust if the odds are amended or changed to
still hit the £10 target, or even re-input the profit/liability as with laying?)

There is no liability or profit buttons when making back all or field bets as
there is with laying? I know dutching goes part way towards this but it seems
that it is not possible to actually choose your own odds?

Maybe I have missed something again, sorry if I have - Michael

[GaryRussell]

Sorry, there are no options to calculate stakes for backing a book. This is something I will consider for a future release.

[GaryRussell]

The next release will show the book % for the individual selections and also the total.

[2020vision]

Ok and thanks but one last question regarding this topic please

Is there a way I could use the stake settings as the liability?
This is simply for speed and convenience not a big bother but helpful.

Thanks regardless - ttfn, Michael

P.S. Will look forward to the percentage figures - thanks again.

[GaryRussell]

You can click where it says "Staking mode: Stake" at the top of the screen to change it to "Staking mode: Liability". Is this what you mean or did you already know about this feature?

[GaryRussell]

I have just uploaded a new build of the pre-release version 1.1.0.63 which displays the book % on MyBets. It also includes a checkbox next to Payout/Liability to fix the Payout/Liability so stakes are auto calculated when you change the odds.

You will also notice a difference when the program first opens. It now loads all the markets into the tree which has allowed me to add a basic search facility. I will be adding more search options (eg. find all markets that will go in play) when I get chance.

You can download it using the following link. You will need to uninstall your current version first.

http://www.gruss-software.co.uk/Betting ... _Beta1.msi

[2020vision]

Hi Gary Thanks.

Yes I know about and how to use the staking methods payout/liability but
when field/back/lay all bets are made using Mybets it will always use the
chosen stake every time rather than actually spreading the liability across
the selections or profit required depending on odds. Hope you get what I mean?

I did take on board the liability "link" when making bets - works great but
would have been handy and quicker to had this settable somewhere.
(Also auto-stake for profit target depending upon odds required). Not a problem
though, I am just getting a bit more handy at using this terrific program!

Thanks for such quick service again. Will download now and use today.
Let you know what I think and how I get on with it pretty soon I expect.


All the best - Michael

P.S. Without meaning to plug the (inferior) competition the feature would
best be described as the "bookmaker" function in BT Pro.

[GaryRussell]

No problem mentioning BT Pro. Adam is a sound bloke. I do get irritated when Bet Angel is mentioned though.

[2020vision]

SUPERB - Brilliant

Am well chuffed with this - WELL DONE and THANKS

All the best - Michael

[doris_day]

Adam is a sound bloke.

Depends how you define 'sound'