BA for Betdaq

[DFK]

Hi Gary
Just been looking at BA for Betdaq and noticed the bet placement response times are poor compared to BF, do you know if they have plans to improve this ? Also for us grid users, any chance of having the right click reverse on the betdaq beta version ? after using it for so long it is badly missed.

Regards DFK.

[MarkRussell]

Hi Gary
Just been looking at BA for Betdaq and noticed the bet placement response times are poor compared to BF, do you know if they have plans to improve this ? Also for us grid users, any chance of having the right click reverse on the betdaq beta version ? after using it for so long it is badly missed.

Regards DFK.

Hi,

We don't know if they have any plans to improve their API. I can only imagine that they may have problems handling all the extra traffic if there was a sudden influx of new customers.
BA for Betdaq will be improved over time but it is certainly not a priority for us at the moment. We do not get any income from it and there is no real evidence that there is going to be a mass migration to their exchange. We will wait and see what happens.

Regards,
Mark

[U.F.O]

Well i will no longer be using Betfair, it's just not practical for me to do so.
So Ill be on Betdaq from now on or getting a proper job if it doesn't work out .

ill keep paying the subscription though anyway,

so you can use my 6-00 a month to fund some of the future developments

[mak]

Tried my bots in running yesterday (horse markets) and the markets were so quiet...The bet placement was so erratic, the refresh rate the same...

Can't operate at the moment

Probably we will know better after September...

[Graham]

Exactly the same here, duplicated a system onto betdaq yesterday, profit on BF, loss on betdaq (despite getting off to a cracking start in the first race!) . I'd rather keep even 40% of a profit than incur a loss!!

Having said that, there are doubtless opportunities there, just need to figure it out. If only the performance were there.

[kiint]

I also had a look at the Daq yesterday evening and I did notice that it does seem busier than the last time I looked. Amount matched on horse races were running at about half that of Betfair which I think has increased a lot. I don't know what the daytime races are like though.

I also tried out the Daq version of BA (been meaning to for a while now) and it works just fine. Only thing I would really wish for is the popout ladder facility (I'm not being blind am I?).

Kiint

[GaryRussell]

I also had a look at the Daq yesterday evening and I did notice that it does seem busier than the last time I looked. Amount matched on horse races were running at about half that of Betfair which I think has increased a lot. I don't know what the daytime races are like though.

I also tried out the Daq version of BA (been meaning to for a while now) and it works just fine. Only thing I would really wish for is the popout ladder facility (I'm not being blind am I?).

Kiint

It was created when the latest Betfair version was 1.1.0.62. This version did not have the popup ladders. As Mark said we don't plan any major development unless there is a mass migration to Betdaq.

[kiint]

I also had a look at the Daq yesterday evening and I did notice that it does seem busier than the last time I looked. Amount matched on horse races were running at about half that of Betfair which I think has increased a lot. I don't know what the daytime races are like though.

I also tried out the Daq version of BA (been meaning to for a while now) and it works just fine. Only thing I would really wish for is the popout ladder facility (I'm not being blind am I?).

Kiint

It was created when the latest Betfair version was 1.1.0.62. This version did not have the popup ladders. As Mark said we don't plan any major development unless there is a mass migration to Betdaq.

I believe that if Betdaq could improve their API and if there is a feature rich product equivalent to the Betfair trading apps, then this would precipitate a mass migration (albeit a rather slow one).

There is a gap in the market and Gruss is welll positioned to fill it. I think a bit of product development would make Gruss a major player in the future exchange business.

Kiint

[GaryRussell]

I do actually prefer some things about Betdaq's API, especially the way it handles querying bets. If they could improve performance and add a few more features it would be superior to Betfair's.

[keesbart]

Gary,
I installed BA for Betdaq and connected to Excel.
The following data is not updated in the spreadsheet per horse:
- last price
- amount.
The values stay 0.00.
Has this something to do with the Preferences? Or is it another problem.

[MarkRussell]

Gary,
I installed BA for Betdaq and connected to Excel.
The following data is not updated in the spreadsheet per horse:
- last price
- amount.
The values stay 0.00.
Has this something to do with the Preferences? Or is it another problem.

Hi,

It does mention this when you first start up Betting Assistant for Betdaq.
This information is not provided by the Betdaq API.
The columns have been left in Excel in the event that Betdaq make the information available at a later date.

Regards,
Mark

[doris_day]

[/quote]
We do not get any income from it and there is no real evidence that there is going to be a mass migration to their exchange. We will wait and see what happens.

Regards,
Mark[/quote]

Why don't you get any income from it ? There's no reason why you can't charge for a service you provide. I've always thought your software is ludicrously cheap. OK, there are other free apps out there but there are also those more on a par that are more expensive.

[GaryRussell]

I discovered a bug in version 1.0.5.8 of BA for Betdaq yesterday. It affected fill or kill. If a bet failed to place, eg. market suspended then it gets stuck trying to cancel a bet that doesn't exist. This would result in poor response times for subsequent bets until the application is restarted. It may have been the cause of poor response times reported on this forum.

If you think 200-500ms is a poor response time though we cannot do anything about this, it appears to be a typical response time. I shall contact Betdaq regarding this.

[GaryRussell]

I can only imagine that they may have problems handling all the extra traffic if there was a sudden influx of new customers.

This comment was unfair to Betdaq. We don't know if this will be the case and should not have commented on this. Apologies to Betdaq.

[GaryRussell]

Why don't you get any income from it ? There's no reason why you can't charge for a service you provide. I've always thought your software is ludicrously cheap. OK, there are other free apps out there but there are also those more on a par that are more expensive.

It's still early Beta so cannot really justify charging. There aren't enough users to justify spending more resources developing it the stage where we can charge. The market place has changed, unfortunately many users don't consider £6 to be cheap anymore.